Comments on: Surprised By Hope Review (And Review Index) http://nathangann.com/?p=158 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:14:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Heather http://nathangann.com/?p=158&cpage=1#comment-529 Heather Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:34:22 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=158#comment-529 I think what often happens is the loudest gets the attention. Although I'm premil, my focus is on the real, ultimate hope. So I don't talk about the tween things often (I've talked about it on this blog more than I have anywhere--you must bring that side out in me!). Which means you may or may not know I'm a premil. What you do know is that I'm passionate about caring for people and caring for the earth because that's what God's passionate about. (I know a lot of people like me in that area, but maybe that's because of my background.) The identified premillers are those who speak loudly about just that, premil stuff (and the hell in a hand basket stuff). So then a classification is created, and they get to define it (just as the media will sometimes loop all Evangies in with the Religious Right). But that's okay. I just get to say that I'm misunderstood in my own time ;) I think what often happens is the loudest gets the attention.
Although I’m premil, my focus is on the real, ultimate hope. So I don’t talk about the tween things often (I’ve talked about it on this blog more than I have anywhere–you must bring that side out in me!). Which means you may or may not know I’m a premil. What you do know is that I’m passionate about caring for people and caring for the earth because that’s what God’s passionate about. (I know a lot of people like me in that area, but maybe that’s because of my background.)
The identified premillers are those who speak loudly about just that, premil stuff (and the hell in a hand basket stuff). So then a classification is created, and they get to define it (just as the media will sometimes loop all Evangies in with the Religious Right).
But that’s okay.
I just get to say that I’m misunderstood in my own time ;)

]]> By: Nathan Gann http://nathangann.com/?p=158&cpage=1#comment-525 Nathan Gann Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:25:21 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=158#comment-525 Fred, I don't know if it's fun, but unfortunately it is easy to do. Ha! Heather, Just yesterday I was reading a post about the differences between fundamentalists and Evangelicals. http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2008/03/03/what-exactly-is-an-evangelical/ You're no funde! I think there are certainly those who have good reasons for being pre-millenial. I first remember reading Craig Blaising on this in a book a few years ago, and have since read some of George Ladd who would not be a dispensationalist about it. I can respect that, and I'm postive Wright does as well as long as they would not take the dangerous route of waiting for it all to go to hell in a hand basket, and obviously you don't. But here in the midwest there are churches, both large and small, with large segments who strongly hold to the rapture. So much so, that if a pastor in those churches taught something Wright would hold to...there may be a riot! Maybe not. Ha. But I've learned not to broach the subject with many Christians because of their strong reaction to any theological or historical questioning of the rapture. I'm not joking when I say many of them think when you say there is no rapture this means there is no second coming! I'm wondering if anyone has surveyed the relationship on pre-millenials with say their support for creation care? I wouldn't want to assume a strawman, since my opinion is based on experience only. Cheers. Fred,
I don’t know if it’s fun, but unfortunately it is easy to do. Ha!

Heather,
Just yesterday I was reading a post about the differences between fundamentalists and Evangelicals.
http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2008/03/03/what-exactly-is-an-evangelical/

You’re no funde!

I think there are certainly those who have good reasons for being pre-millenial. I first remember reading Craig Blaising on this in a book a few years ago, and have since read some of George Ladd who would not be a dispensationalist about it. I can respect that, and I’m postive Wright does as well as long as they would not take the dangerous route of waiting for it all to go to hell in a hand basket, and obviously you don’t.

But here in the midwest there are churches, both large and small, with large segments who strongly hold to the rapture. So much so, that if a pastor in those churches taught something Wright would hold to…there may be a riot! Maybe not. Ha. But I’ve learned not to broach the subject with many Christians because of their strong reaction to any theological or historical questioning of the rapture. I’m not joking when I say many of them think when you say there is no rapture this means there is no second coming!

I’m wondering if anyone has surveyed the relationship on pre-millenials with say their support for creation care? I wouldn’t want to assume a strawman, since my opinion is based on experience only.

Cheers.

]]> By: Nathanael http://nathangann.com/?p=158&cpage=1#comment-523 Nathanael Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:23:40 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=158#comment-523 I've only ever read articles and listened to lectures by Mr. Wright. And I've thoroughly enjoyed what I read and heard. Last night, I picked up "Surprised by Hope." I'm in the middle of two books now, so I won't be able to start it yet. But I followed Scot McKnight's reviews faithfully, and am really looking forward to reading the book. Shalom I’ve only ever read articles and listened to lectures by Mr. Wright. And I’ve thoroughly enjoyed what I read and heard.
Last night, I picked up “Surprised by Hope.”
I’m in the middle of two books now, so I won’t be able to start it yet. But I followed Scot McKnight’s reviews faithfully, and am really looking forward to reading the book.

Shalom

]]> By: Heather http://nathangann.com/?p=158&cpage=1#comment-521 Heather Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:02:01 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=158#comment-521 I'm a huge Wright fan (take those adjectives in any order you'd like). So I got my hands on this book ASAP. I haven't finished it yet--I had to go back to the beginning to write a summary on it for a business my husband and I are starting--but I plan to finish it this week. Thus far--loving it. This is a passion area of mine. In fact, a while back <a href="http://www.heatheragoodman.com/content/platonic-world-v.-hebraic-world" rel="nofollow">I blogged on this idea</a> (Unfortunately, the comments were lost to my old blog, but you get the idea.) Here's the thing--I'm premil. Yes I am. Which means for me, that though I loosely agree with the interpretation behind the Left Behind series (of which I read the first couple of books), I didn't like the series for a couple of reasons: wrong focus (I do believe the kingdom of God is active today, and that we're called to participate in it in physical ways as well as spiritual--after all, how do you really separate the physical from the spiritual?); we don't know what is metaphor, so are there really grasshopper-horse things invading?, I doubt it (although you never know with God); and three, I'm not exactly sure you could call that good literature. But here's the thing about my theology: no matter what I believe about the rapture and tribulation and millinial kingdom, I absolutely believe (and I'm consistent with most educated premillers here) that our future, ultimate hope, the heart of it all, is our physical resurrection when heaven meets earth on a restored, redeemed, re-beautified (because, you know, I needed the alliteration) earth, where we finally see God's kingdom here to the fullest. I also want to say that because I believe in this physicalness, because I believe that you can't separate physical from spiritual really, and because (not despite) I believe in a future tribulation, I believe that participating in God's work includes spiritual and physical healing (not necessarily healing in the pound-the-forehead way--I think you understand what I mean). What I'm saying is that Wright doesn't necessarily piss off all premillers (I'm not sure I fit in the "funde" category--I know I don't want to). When my husband and I became Anglican, I got excited about the notion that I'm now the same denomination as some of my favorites--namely, Clive and Nick. I’m a huge Wright fan (take those adjectives in any order you’d like). So I got my hands on this book ASAP. I haven’t finished it yet–I had to go back to the beginning to write a summary on it for a business my husband and I are starting–but I plan to finish it this week.
Thus far–loving it. This is a passion area of mine. In fact, a while back I blogged on this idea (Unfortunately, the comments were lost to my old blog, but you get the idea.)
Here’s the thing–I’m premil. Yes I am. Which means for me, that though I loosely agree with the interpretation behind the Left Behind series (of which I read the first couple of books), I didn’t like the series for a couple of reasons: wrong focus (I do believe the kingdom of God is active today, and that we’re called to participate in it in physical ways as well as spiritual–after all, how do you really separate the physical from the spiritual?); we don’t know what is metaphor, so are there really grasshopper-horse things invading?, I doubt it (although you never know with God); and three, I’m not exactly sure you could call that good literature.
But here’s the thing about my theology: no matter what I believe about the rapture and tribulation and millinial kingdom, I absolutely believe (and I’m consistent with most educated premillers here) that our future, ultimate hope, the heart of it all, is our physical resurrection when heaven meets earth on a restored, redeemed, re-beautified (because, you know, I needed the alliteration) earth, where we finally see God’s kingdom here to the fullest. I also want to say that because I believe in this physicalness, because I believe that you can’t separate physical from spiritual really, and because (not despite) I believe in a future tribulation, I believe that participating in God’s work includes spiritual and physical healing (not necessarily healing in the pound-the-forehead way–I think you understand what I mean).
What I’m saying is that Wright doesn’t necessarily piss off all premillers (I’m not sure I fit in the “funde” category–I know I don’t want to).
When my husband and I became Anglican, I got excited about the notion that I’m now the same denomination as some of my favorites–namely, Clive and Nick.

]]> By: Fred http://nathangann.com/?p=158&cpage=1#comment-519 Fred Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:22:33 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=158#comment-519 I've read The Challenge of Jesus and The Last Word. If Suprised By Hope is anything like those it will definately be good. Besides, it's fun to piss fundamentalists off. :D I’ve read The Challenge of Jesus and The Last Word. If Suprised By Hope is anything like those it will definately be good.

Besides, it’s fun to piss fundamentalists off. :D

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