Comments on: One Thing I Learned From A Blog? http://nathangann.com/?p=188 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:14:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jonathan Brink http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2599 Jonathan Brink Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:46:25 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2599 Nathan, are you going to share your other blog? Nathan, are you going to share your other blog?

]]> By: glenn http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2191 glenn Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:22:58 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2191 Nathan ~ I just got back home last night and it was kind of a rough drive through wind, rain, sleet, and snow. I glad we got to meet. It makes the whole blogging thing seem more real. Finding another blogger in Joetown was a pleasant surprise. I really enjoy your stuff. Thanks for the link and the kind words! You are so right about church leadership being aloof. The other side of that are the impossible expectations forced on pastors. Most pastors feel they have have to be careful about how authentic they are because of the potential repercussions for not living up to someone's ideals. The system is badly broken. Leadership needs to flattened out. Leaders need to learn to listen to others who are outside of their paradigm. We need to let leaders be human and not reject then when we find out that they are flawed. Maybe we can get together again when I am back at the end of May. Nathan ~

I just got back home last night and it was kind of a rough drive through wind, rain, sleet, and snow. I glad we got to meet. It makes the whole blogging thing seem more real. Finding another blogger in Joetown was a pleasant surprise. I really enjoy your stuff. Thanks for the link and the kind words!

You are so right about church leadership being aloof. The other side of that are the impossible expectations forced on pastors. Most pastors feel they have have to be careful about how authentic they are because of the potential repercussions for not living up to someone’s ideals. The system is badly broken.

Leadership needs to flattened out. Leaders need to learn to listen to others who are outside of their paradigm. We need to let leaders be human and not reject then when we find out that they are flawed.

Maybe we can get together again when I am back at the end of May.

]]> By: Nathan Gann http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2175 Nathan Gann Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:12:52 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2175 Beth, Phases are sometimes unavoidable, this is true. And you do need to make a Whole Foods run soon! Love those bags. Heather, Leadership in the Bible is far from perfect. And maybe that's the point. We actually know they aren't perfect and we know why. Certainly there is a balance of personal information and public confession, but I know which end of the scale things tend to lean. If leaders become more vulnerable, and do it with humble authority, there will be changes on the whole in the way people act and have expectations. I find it interesting that syncretism is a charge often leveled against emerging/missional/ etc. And yet the not so good leadership model we are talking about presently is based precisely on the impersonal CEO business model. Syncretism indeed? We love going to Whole Foods every two weeks. Clean healthy food. You can feel it. It has become a spiritual experience for us, which prolly makes no sense. lol. Watchman, I think the give and take is a key. If leaders only take, you burn people out. Kacie, I can totally relate. Cheers. Beth,
Phases are sometimes unavoidable, this is true. And you do need to make a Whole Foods run soon! Love those bags.

Heather,
Leadership in the Bible is far from perfect. And maybe that’s the point. We actually know they aren’t perfect and we know why. Certainly there is a balance of personal information and public confession, but I know which end of the scale things tend to lean. If leaders become more vulnerable, and do it with humble authority, there will be changes on the whole in the way people act and have expectations.

I find it interesting that syncretism is a charge often leveled against emerging/missional/ etc. And yet the not so good leadership model we are talking about presently is based precisely on the impersonal CEO business model. Syncretism indeed?

We love going to Whole Foods every two weeks. Clean healthy food. You can feel it. It has become a spiritual experience for us, which prolly makes no sense. lol.

Watchman,
I think the give and take is a key. If leaders only take, you burn people out.

Kacie,
I can totally relate.

Cheers.

]]> By: Beth http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2171 Beth Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:25:22 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2171 That is so true about being personal and having people who know you read what you wrote. It keeps me in check too, which is a good thing and forces me to be more creative when I do post something extremely personal. I think I may need to take a trip to whole foods soon..... their re-usable bags are awesome!! That is so true about being personal and having people who know you read what you wrote. It keeps me in check too, which is a good thing and forces me to be more creative when I do post something extremely personal.

I think I may need to take a trip to whole foods soon….. their re-usable bags are awesome!!

]]> By: Kacie http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2169 Kacie Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:53 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2169 Yeah, I'm with you. My blog tends to be scarily personal at times, and I love that most of the time. I really don't know how to do it any other way. The ironic thing is that it is scariest to have my blog noticed by people that actually know me. They are the ones that most quickly take what I say much more personally then I mean, or who find me arrogant or judgemental. This has a good side, because I DO need to be kept in check, and iron sharpens iron. On the other hand, it does make it scary to be vulnerable. Yeah, I’m with you. My blog tends to be scarily personal at times, and I love that most of the time. I really don’t know how to do it any other way.

The ironic thing is that it is scariest to have my blog noticed by people that actually know me. They are the ones that most quickly take what I say much more personally then I mean, or who find me arrogant or judgemental. This has a good side, because I DO need to be kept in check, and iron sharpens iron. On the other hand, it does make it scary to be vulnerable.

]]> By: watchman http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2168 watchman Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:02:21 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2168 I'm with you, man. I loved the connections you drew to ministry. We expect our ministers to be professionals without getting too personal, because if we get too personal with them, they'll get too personal with us - God forbid! I’m with you, man. I loved the connections you drew to ministry. We expect our ministers to be professionals without getting too personal, because if we get too personal with them, they’ll get too personal with us – God forbid!

]]> By: Heather http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2167 Heather Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:45:22 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2167 Oh, and I just saw you link to Whole Foods. Do you know that I'm a Whole Foods evangelist? I love that place. I used to hate grocery shopping. Then I found Whole Foods. Now I go for a pick-me-up. Oh, and I just saw you link to Whole Foods. Do you know that I’m a Whole Foods evangelist?
I love that place.
I used to hate grocery shopping.
Then I found Whole Foods.
Now I go for a pick-me-up.

]]> By: Heather http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2166 Heather Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:44:16 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2166 I agree with this--leadership is something that God does through us despite ourselves. Look at Jacob and Abraham. Not exactly ideal leaders. We need to be open about the yucky stuff inside of us in order that others may see God working. But I think for pastors and leaders it's not just hard because of what they want or don't want. It's hard because of what they're congregation expects. I've seen leaders try to let their hair down, so to speak (or tie it up), and have to deal with pain and backlash from congregations who refused to accept that. I agree with this–leadership is something that God does through us despite ourselves. Look at Jacob and Abraham. Not exactly ideal leaders. We need to be open about the yucky stuff inside of us in order that others may see God working.
But I think for pastors and leaders it’s not just hard because of what they want or don’t want. It’s hard because of what they’re congregation expects. I’ve seen leaders try to let their hair down, so to speak (or tie it up), and have to deal with pain and backlash from congregations who refused to accept that.

]]> By: Beth http://nathangann.com/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-2165 Beth Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:48:33 +0000 http://nathangann.com/?p=188#comment-2165 Great blog. You're absolutely on the mark with the differences between leadership, preaching, and pastoring. I wanted to add, in regards to your previous blog, that what I've learned about friendships/acquaintances/relationships is that they go through seasons. If you haven't talked to someone in 6 months it doesn't mean that they don't genuinely care about you or your situation, it just means your rleationship is going through a phase. People drift in and out of your life so enjoy the stages you are in with people and if you find a very special, soul-mate kind of friend, do your part to keep that relationship a priority. Great blog. You’re absolutely on the mark with the differences between leadership, preaching, and pastoring.

I wanted to add, in regards to your previous blog, that what I’ve learned about friendships/acquaintances/relationships is that they go through seasons. If you haven’t talked to someone in 6 months it doesn’t mean that they don’t genuinely care about you or your situation, it just means your rleationship is going through a phase. People drift in and out of your life so enjoy the stages you are in with people and if you find a very special, soul-mate kind of friend, do your part to keep that relationship a priority.

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